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Old 29-08-2019, 11:46 AM
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I'm new to the Ute scene but I'm currently tossing up between a 2013-15 d40 or d22. Basically want something that will tow a caravan around Australia. Looking at under 100,000km and under $20,000. Obviously the d22 are a bit cheaper than the d40. Is it worth going for the d40 and paying that bit extra? Reading so many mixed things re: reliability and towing ability. Very confused.


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Old 29-08-2019, 12:15 PM
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I have an 07 d40 STX 2.5 litre diesel

D40 is obviously much larger and significantly more powerful than d22

D40 STX 3 litre diesel v6 is a brilliant bit of kit if you've got the $ to buy one

D40 STX models are built in spain not thailand like the rest of them, and are a very different car altogether, different steering and suspension. Actually a mechanical twin to the Pathfinder of the same age

I bought the d40 as i found the handling and suspension much better than other dual cabs

I drive a new ford ranger for work and I find it jiggly and twitchy compared to the d40, with less road feel through the steering wheel and so less enjoyable on the open road

For that reason i have no intention of ever selling the d40

Id like a diesel v6 but its not worth the effort of having to totally modify and customise another navara so ill run the 2.5 4 cyl into the ground then get a diesel v6 in years to come


The major thing to keep in mind here is timing chains, but if you're looking at 2013-15 models, the timing chain issues were rectified well before then
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Old 30-08-2019, 07:13 AM
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Yes the D-40 is much better for towing and power than the D-22.
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Old 30-08-2019, 08:25 AM
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Out of those 2 choices, the D40 would be better at towing a caravan, but do you really need a Ute? Most of those who tow caravans with Utes tend to put a canopy on them anyway, so there goes the utility aspect.

An R51 Pathfinder has the same running gear as a D40 & will do everything a D40 will do with regard to towing & it has a better suspension set up.

I've owned a D22 with a canopy & my wife currently owns a 4x4 wagon. There is no comparison usability wise when towing a caravan on the black top. The wagon wins hands down.

Metal canopies fitted to metal trays work well if you have to have a Ute, but the general run of the mill canopies fitted to a tub are not user friendly for your proposed use IMO.

I've towed a caravan up to Arkaroola & back with my current D22 (no canopy). It towed it fine, but they don't handle heavy loads on the tow ball very well.
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Old 30-08-2019, 01:13 PM
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Out of those 2 choices, the D40 would be better at towing a caravan, but do you really need a Ute? Most of those who tow caravans with Utes tend to put a canopy on them anyway, so there goes the utility aspect.



An R51 Pathfinder has the same running gear as a D40 & will do everything a D40 will do with regard to towing & it has a better suspension set up.



I've owned a D22 with a canopy & my wife currently owns a 4x4 wagon. There is no comparison usability wise when towing a caravan on the black top. The wagon wins hands down.



Metal canopies fitted to metal trays work well if you have to have a Ute, but the general run of the mill canopies fitted to a tub are not user friendly for your proposed use IMO.



I've towed a caravan up to Arkaroola & back with my current D22 (no canopy). It towed it fine, but they don't handle heavy loads on the tow ball very well.
We did back and forth a bit on the wagon vs Ute scenario but we chose to go for a Ute in part because we do a lot of work around the house and want to be able to cart soil, gravel etc around and do a few tip runs each year. Plus we can chuck the BBQ etc in the back when we go camping and not have to worry about getting things messy. It's more of a lifestyle/convenience factor than anything else. There's only the two of us and we were getting around in a Yaris and an impreza before now so we've never needed a bit boot, we have needed a trailer many times though.
And yep we'll end up putting a canopy on or buying one with a canopy. I pretty much narrowed it down to the Nav mainly because of availability and price. Would love to spend another 10 grand and get something nicer/newer but honestly I'd rather spend more on a caravan and get a nicer van than the car given well end up living in it.
That being said.... Those new LDV T60's look mighty tempting at that price.... Seem mechanically sound too (maybe electrical not so much)

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Old 30-08-2019, 01:17 PM
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Dont think youll be chucking too much gravel in the back of a dual cab with a tub

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Old 30-08-2019, 01:50 PM
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The main thing it comes down to is, how heavy is the van you have or plan to have? Auto gearboxes are a lot better suited to towing. The clutch in the d40 (If it hasn't been changed for an aftermarket one) has what they call a dual mass flywheel. They aren't designed to be slipped much at all as they overheat quickly and destroy the dampening springs inside them. They are supposed to remove some of the harshness from the engine into the gearbox and make a smoother and quieter drive. The d40 also has a 6 speed manual as opposed to the d22 5 speed, but even though the d22 has a standard solid flywheel, neither of them are easy to get moving when towing a decent weight, especially on hills.

Another thing to keep in mind is the d22 has manual freewheeling hubs and a transfer case stick as opposed to the d40 and r51 having full time locked front hubs and an electronic 4wd actuator system. Put simply, with the d22, you can put the transfer case in low range and leave the front hubs unlocked, which makes backing a trailer a lot easier and smoother. You don't have that luxury in a d40, but in saying that, if you're in the bush and haven't locked the front hubs in on the d22 and happen to come across a section that requires 4wd (like mud) you're going to get covered in crap when you get out to lock the hubs in... The advantage on the highway though is slightly less driveline drag as the front diff only turns over in the d22 when the transfer case is in 4wd or the hubs are locked in. The front diff in the d40 is turning all the time when you're moving, in 4wd or not.

Depending on where you plan on travelling will depend on how hard parts are to come across. The d22 has the same wheel stud pattern as landcruisers and patrols (different offset though) so if you broke a rim or ran out of spare tyres you could possibly borrow one from one of them to get you out of trouble. The d40 runs a different pattern (same as the new np300 though) so you wouldn't really have that option unless another vehicle the same happened to come along...

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Old 31-08-2019, 01:38 AM
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Bods makes some really good points!

The only thing I'd agree to disagree with Bod's on is auto's being the better option to tow with. Unless they have a trans lock up kit installed, the Jatco auto boxes in the D40 & R51 will overheat towing heavy loads. And I don't know if there is even a trans lock up kit available for a Nissan?

(Hey Bods, didn't some of the D40 manual's come with a solid mass fly wheel?)

I think that you have a valid point about the utility aspect of owning a Ute roswellj, they are very handy to have for moving stuff about. But, (and I'm not sure if it applies where you live or not) here in SA it costs an additional $300 per year to register a Ute over a 4x4 wagon. That's a lot of day trailer hires per year!

I own my own business and have been happy to fork out the extra $300 a year in rego, to save me having to maintain a log book if I were using a non commercial vehicle. But that extra $300 a year is definitely something to consider, if it applies where you live.

I've looked at the LDV's too & you get a lot of Ute for the money, that's for sure. The downside being depreciation.

I'd seriously re consider a canopy on a tub for touring though. On a tray, they work, because of easy access. On a tub I found them to be a PITA (well, more a pain in the knees really, as I had to climb in & out of the tub to pack & unpack the canopy).

Good luck with your car shopping!
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Old 31-08-2019, 05:43 AM
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I probably should have clarified that point a bit more, haha. The auto box is a lot better for getting moving on hills, that's about the only advantage of it... From memory I have seen mention on here about an auto trans mob in Melbourne doing a new valve body for them, whether they are any better or not I couldn't say... As far as I know none of the manuals came from the factory with single mass flywheels.

As for the canopy on a tub, I was in the same boat as you, but have since picked up a cheap second hand one and taken the lift up side windows out and put them in mine. Heaps easier for getting near the front but I'd hate to pay the $400 odd each for them new from flexiglass (considering the whole second hand canopy was only $300 haha).

Plus I re sealed the side windows (still have to do the rear one) so they don't leak water in when it rains anymore...
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Old 31-08-2019, 08:27 AM
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Thanks for the advice guys.
As far as trany goes honestly I'm pretty happy either way. I understand that there were issues with slipping the clutch in the manual. I'm normally fairly gentle on my cars, the obvious fix would be to avoid stopping on hills while towing. Even if I got a second hand manual around 15-16k and had to replace the clutch at some point I'd still be well ahead of spending the 20k a ranger that's 5 years older with 100,000 more km would be asking me to spend.
As far as canopy's. The couple I've seen so far actually had opening side windows but I'd probably put sliding draws in the tub anyway for BBQ and fridge etc.

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