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G'day folks,

I found this article in the Sydney Morning Herald today!

Free speech appeal fails over critical letters to Diggers

A SELF-STYLED Muslim imam accused of sending offensive letters to the families of dead Diggers has had his appeal against the charge dismissed.

Man Haron Monis, also known as Sheikh Haron, and his co-appellant, Amirah Droudis, are accused of sending letters to the widows and family members of several soldiers, referring to the dead men in what one judge described as ''a denigrating and derogatory fashion''.

Their pre-trial application was for the dismissal of the charge that it was a crime to use a postal or similar service in a way that reasonable people would regard as offensive.

The men's lawyers had argued that the material was ''purely political'' in nature, and were protected as political speech.

The High Court decision, published on Wednesday morning, said the co-accused had allegedly sent letters (and in one case a recorded message) to the relatives of Australian soldiers killed in action in Afghanistan and to the mother of an Austrade official killed in Indonesia.

''The communications criticised Australia's military involvement in Afghanistan. They opened with expressions of sympathy for the grieving relatives but then proceeded to criticise and condemn the deceased person,'' the decision read.

The High Court was divided 50-50 on whether the constitution prohibits the postal service being used to deliver ''seriously offensive material''.

Under the Judiciary Act, when the High Court is equally divided, the decision that is being appealed is upheld.

The High Court was told in October the letters, which were also sent to various politicians including the Prime Minister and Opposition Leader, contained ''expressions of sympathy'' for the soldiers' families.

But they also included passages such as: ''The Australian government represents the Australian nation. The Australian nation has approved the oppressive behaviour of its own government. How? By its silence. Insane people and children are exceptions.''

The High Court Judge Dyson Heydon questioned whether passages expressing sympathy could add to the offensiveness of the letters.

''You cannot offer condolences for the loss of someone's son and speak of the dirty body of a pig or say that Hitler was not inferior to them in moral merit,'' he said.

The barrister David Bennett, who appeared for Mr Droudis, told the court in October the letters were ''purely political'' and should therefore be protected as free speech.

''It is putting an extreme view,'' Mr Bennett said. ''It is putting what is no doubt very much a minority view, but it is purely political and it requires considerable imagination to see how that can be regarded as offensive in any way. That, of course, does not matter. If it is offensive it is offensive because the views are offensive, which is exactly what the freedom is designed to protect.''

The Chief Justice, Robert French, in October suggested the letters could be offensive because of their context and the fact they were addressed to military families. But Mr Bennett said wounding a person's feelings should not invoke a criminal offence.

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Folks, i did not join the Army and serve my country with pride and honor to have this type of farken scum-bag be allowed to live in this great country of ours! The act that this sheet wearing, goat stroking fagot has committed is absolutely disgraceful, disrespectful and total un-Australian. Send the farker back to the turd-hole country of origin that this squeezer came from.

PS, and send the bill to the farken dick-brain politician and bureaucrats responsible for allowing this tow-rag scrote into our great country in the first place.

Regards,

RLI
:rambo:
 
Nice to see you back on deck. I honestly cannot understand why they are not sent back from whence they came. You are 100% right it is absolutely un-Australian. Of great puzzlement/concern to me is how the full bench could be divided over such an issue. Never had the honour of serving myself but proud to have a son in the army who has served several times overseas.
 
I got a better idea, should round them up and march them across mine fields in their own countries to clear them ala soviet union style.
 
Nice to see you back on deck. I honestly cannot understand why they are not sent back from whence they came. You are 100% right it is absolutely un-Australian. Of great puzzlement/concern to me is how the full bench could be divided over such an issue. Never had the honour of serving myself but proud to have a son in the army who has served several times overseas.

G'day glennm,

Thanks mate!
 
G'day folks,

Our 1st Prime Minister Sir Edmund Barton's ideas on Immigrants and being an Australian in 1907. He certainly got it right over one hundred years ago! He stated the following;

'In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an Australian and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person's becoming in every facet an Australian, and nothing but an Australian.. There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an Australian, but something else also, isn't an Australian at all. We have room for but one flag, the Australian flag.... We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the Australian people.'

Regards,

RLI
 
Our fathers and grand father fought and died to secure our right to free speech, not their father. Their fathers let the Taliban walk all over them.
As far as I'm concerned, if they want to bring that shit here, then they can shut the feck up.
They'd better Put down the pens, harassing the widow and family's of our fallen heroes, pick up a gun and bring it on. Time for the last crusade, kill them all. I'm willing to fight for my country and our way of life.
 
G'day folks,

Our 1st Prime Minister Sir Edmund Barton's ideas on Immigrants and being an Australian in 1907. He certainly got it right over one hundred years ago! He stated the following;

'In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an Australian and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person's becoming in every facet an Australian, and nothing but an Australian.. There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an Australian, but something else also, isn't an Australian at all. We have room for but one flag, the Australian flag.... We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the Australian people.'

Regards,

RLI

That is poetry, it should be above all entry points into Australia, if you can't understand it and agree to abide by it well get back on that plane or sinking ship you came here on and fark off
 
G'day folks,

Our 1st Prime Minister Sir Edmund Barton's ideas on Immigrants and being an Australian in 1907. He certainly got it right over one hundred years ago! He stated the following;

'In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an Australian and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person's becoming in every facet an Australian, and nothing but an Australian.. There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an Australian, but something else also, isn't an Australian at all. We have room for but one flag, the Australian flag.... We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the Australian people.'

Regards,

RLI

No he never said that.
http://www.hoax-slayer.com/edmund-barton-immigration-quote.shtml
 
I was going to say with regards to that speech posted on the last page what about the aboriginal tribes? are they not allowed to speak their own languages? sounded pretty white power to me but glad to know its origin was not from an Australian.
 
These fundamentalist muslims are a real worry. They despise everything the western world stands for. Some European countries have changed forever because of their (muslims') influence. We need to make sure that doesn't happen here. If they can't assimilate (and some don't want to), then they should be pissed off back to the shit hole they come from.
 

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